On June 30th, my family and I met with Pete Eyre (you might know him from Liberty On Tour and CopBlock.org) to take ownership of MARV, the Mobile Authority Resistance Vehicle. (Find out more about MARV here.)
My dad, our own David Blizzard, won the MARV raffle, and we’re excited to continue using this fine vehicle to spread the ideals of a voluntary society, free of government force and coercion! Stay tuned for news from us in the coming months.
I sat down with Pete for an interview before he handed off the keys and the title of MARV and we headed back down to Georgia. Check out the interview below.
CLINT: I’m Clint Blizzard from 5 Steps to Anarchy, here with Pete Eyre. You might know him from Motorhome Diaries, Liberty on Tour, CopBlock.org. So, he recently raffled off MARV, his RV he was using for some of those projects, and my dad was lucky enough to win it. So we’re up here in New Hampshire to pick it up, and I thought I’d ask him some questions.
So, first, I’d like to know what brought you to New Hampshire?
PETE: I first learned about what was going on up here in New Hampshire back in 2005. I was in DC at the time, and a guy named Jason Sorens addressed a program I was involved with, and Jason had been a doctorate student at the time and had written a paper, a dissertation, essentially about secession movements and about the impact that a concentrated number of doers could have in a certain area, so, essentially a lot of folks encouraged him to run with that idea, from which the Free State Project came about, and New Hampshire was voted on by people who liked that idea, not necessarily secession per se, but just the ideas of individual liberty and personal responsibility.
So, New Hampshire was selected as being the place to go based on its low population–it has about 1.3 million people–it has a very “live-and-let-live” mindset up here, has a good foundation from which to start. A lot of other economic… quality of life indexes that set it apart from other places, so I just progressively spent more and more time here in the ‘Shire. I first came through in 2007 for a week–actually, I went to PorcFest in ’05 for a day–but ’07, I came through for a week, and I came through this area, the Monadnock region, southwest NH, and progressively spent more and more time here.
In 2009, spent a week or two before Motorhome Diaries, and then came back through a couple times that year. In 2010, was here a few months before Liberty on Tour doing logistics and stuff. And then last year I was here, in 2010-11, I spent more time here. Last year, I was here most of the year, the exception of a few weeks, and the reason I’ve chosen to spend a lot of time here is because of the community here. There’s a lot of good people that have moved here, a lot of good people that are already here that, that have kind of started associating with those people, and it really makes all the difference just being able to live–not just talk about the ideas, but try to live them and be surrounded by other people working for those same ends.
CLINT: Cool. So, what do you think people can do elsewhere, around the country and around the world, to get communities together like that, under the ideals of liberty and free trade?
PETE: I just encourage folks to live as much in align with their conscience as they can, and I know it’s tough. Some people would point to oppression and tyranny and other regulations and dictates and mandates some people may think they have a right to place on them, but if each of us who realizes just how ridiculous all that is and says, “Hey, I’m free to act as long as I don’t hurt anybody else,” or “If I make a mistake, I’m responsible for that,” if each of us can try to live that ourselves and inspire people around us to do that, and connect with people, it makes a lot of difference even if you only have a handful of people in your area that you’re able to connect with in that way.
And now with the internet–I know you all have a site, you guys have been putting out content, so the ability just to share ideas across these geographical distances and across these arbitrary political boundaries has made a huge difference. I don’t mean to say everybody has to move to the ‘Shire and that’s the end-all-be-all, because I definitely have interests in bouncing around myself and seeing what’s going on, so I’m sure you guys in your area are having an impact, as are other people, doing what they’re doing.
I guess that’s it, I just encourage people to pursue what they think, where they think their time is best allocated, and connect with other like-minded people, and we can do a lot even if we’re not all close together.
CLINT: Next I’d like to ask, what do you think of the current state of Ron Paul’s presidential campaign? Is it still going? Is it over at this point?
PETE: Honestly, I haven’t really been paying much attention this time around. I did vote for him in the primary in 2007, and we interviewed him in 2009 where we’re sitting, but I had heard from some friends that he had ended his campaign recently, or he’s doing something in Tampa…
But honestly, the more I’ve pursued my own journey in these ideas, I just tended to opt out more and more from the political system or even pay attention to it. Instead of dwelling on this piece of legislation that somebody else passed, I would say, “Just because it passed on a Wednesday doesn’t mean those strangers have any more right to do stuff to you that day than they did on Tuesday.” So, I think the more you pay attention to it, the less you’re able to allocate to creating something or growing something. I just advocate kind of ignoring them to the greatest extent possible, and if you’re threatened by them or some of their colleagues, then you can do damage control, we can support each other.
I do think Ron Paul is an excellent ambassador, he’s a great speaker, and he’s a good person, and I appreciate that he’s out there sharing ideas. I made a video earlier this year, I think it was called something like “Ron Paul Zombies Wake Up!” It was a parody, but I took this clip that I found from a couple years ago that was ripping on Obama people and, essentially it was a message to Ron Paul supporters to encourage them to take their ideas to their logical conclusions, and if they care about liberty and they care about peace and free trade and consensual interactions, then why not have that be the case in all goods and services, and why continue to be active in a system that says there’s leaders, and these people have more rights than you do? I think you govern yourself, I govern myself. People may say “States’ rights!” but why not go down to the individual, because that’s, at the end of the day, where rights are inherited.
So yeah, I wish him the best. I don’t know what he’s going to be up to after this campaign, but I know he’s been super busy, so I can understand if he took some time to chill, but I know he’s a very passionate advocate for liberty, so I don’t really think that’s going to be the case.
CLINT: Do you think with the end of his presidential campaign, his supporters are going to gravitate more toward voluntaryism or keep with the political game?
PETE: I hope a lot of folks that had supported Ron Paul do continue to think open-mindedly as they have been, I mean, if they found him, it’s definitely not the statist indoctrination that they’re taught in government schools and the mainstream media, they’re already thinking for themself and they’re already thinking outside the box, and I’d just encourage them to recognize that there is no box, and just not even be involved in that system that shapes a paradigm that says certain people have a right to control you or not control you based on if they have majority support from others.
So, I think, the difference from his campaign this year versus 4 years ago, there are a lot more people that I see that self-identify as a voluntaryist or something like that, and people are becoming better communicators of those ideas, and there’s a lot more content out there, a lot more different hooks, a lot more different tones, so I think the chance that a current Ron Paul supported continues to move in that direction is very high. So, I’m excited to see it. To me, it’s just the natural trajectory or equilibrium that’s to be reached. There are going to be more and more people that realize trying to control somebody else doesn’t make sense. So yeah, I’m excited to see what happens.
CLINT: So, with you passing off the torch of MARV to us, do you have any thoughts on how we could best use it to continue to promote the ideas [of a free society]?
PETE: I would say, I mean, you guys already have a website, you’re putting out content, and that’s more than a lot of folks that…
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PETE: So, to go back to what you all can use it for, I would say use it for whatever you want. it goes down to the idea that one person or group of people can have all the answers is impossible, you know, for everybody else on how to run their lives. You guys know best your interests and your passions and your resources, you guys have already started a website and you guys are already out there sharing ideas, so whatever you guys use it for, I think is going to be a good use.